SSI at Exotic Propulsion Workshop

This week, SSI is very proud to be with Dr. James Woodward, Dr Heidi Fearn, Dr José Rodal  and, basically, the top minds in advanced “exotic” propulsion.

This is a by-invitation gathering and there is very limited connectivity way up here in the Rockies so we’ll have to wait for the end of the meeting to post.  But we assure you that there is a LOT more information to come…

Here are some helpful links:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-controversial-space-propulsion-will-be-discussed-by-scientists-actual-conference-1582115

https://hacked.com/scientists-at-estes-park-explore-emdrive-and-other-propulsion-physics-breakthrough-research/

Michelle Broyles and Gary Hudson at The Workshop
At the Exotic Propulsion Workshop, NSF’s Michelle “SeeShells” Broyles and SSI President Gary Hudson. To learn more about Michelle’s work, see the page https://www.gofundme.com/yy7yz3k

 

9-22 UPDATE:  Near the end of the final day we looked out the window and saw a double rainbow so most of the group ran outside to get this picture.
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Truly it was a special week.  Many, many thanks to everyone for making it all work out.  Jim, Heidi, Lance, Robin, Anne, EVERYONE THANK YOU!

Now the process of going through the A/V and papers to make proceedings begins, and SSI will post updates as we get them.

Happy flights home everyone!

29 thoughts on “SSI at Exotic Propulsion Workshop”

    1. A very good question.
      This is the sort of thing that inspires the young to become future rocket scientists.
      Why is it behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms? No live webcast, because no decent internet. Really?
      Anything that is released from this show will be edited and sanitized.
      Still, if this moves focus to METs rather than the failed em drive then it will do science a great favor.
      All in my opinion of course.

      1. “Why is it behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms? No live webcast, because no decent internet. Really?
        Anything that is released from this show will be edited and sanitized.”

        :-) You give our organization quite a bit of credit. There’s an old quote from Bobby Weir: “If we’d had more time we would have spent it, and if we’d had more money we would have spent that too.”

        We’re folks trying to help.

        If SSI had the time and money to create conspiracy I assure you we would spend it on other things we desperately need. :-) This is important to us but it is not our core.

        We’re here with our own personal cameras and my own mixer and microphones because the information is worth the time that we have. SSI is all volunteer and the information will be like the donations that come from our members… it comes in and it goes right out where it’s needed as cleanly as possible.

        Any sanitizing of the recordings on our part will be only due to the fact that getting recordings of many people talking at once all over a couple of mics in the boomy room is not an easy task. Some of it will likely not be useable raw – through the headphones I know that already. We will be providing the organizers with the audio and video and they will be making the releases. Everyone here seems very dedicated and honest to me. Everyone has passion and desires but maybe giving the benefit of the doubt for a while would be polite?

        Glad you support the effort… if you make a gathering please let us know and we will support you as much as we can also. Thanks!

        1. Thanks for the cogent and thoughtful reply.
          You have my respect for the work that you and the Institute do and look forward to viewing the result of your labors.

          I have no doubts whatsoever about the integrity of the Doctors and Professors at the workshop. In fact Dr. Rodal is a secret hero of mine.

          Cheers!

          1. Thank you for understanding.

            The day has just begun, the wifi is so far staying alive here and Dr. Rodal is just two chairs away so I’ll let him know in a break that he’s got support :-). I have to get back to watching the mixer, Gary’s giving me the “get to work” look.. Thanks!

      1. Yes. The supposed em drive ‘effect’ has been know for 20 years since Shawyer.
        There are no flying cars or propellantless satellites. No one has gone to Saturn in a week.
        That’s practical proof.
        My money is on the Woodward effect being infinitely more real than the em drive.

        1. You did not provide any evidence. You need facts based on rigid research and testing like for example SeeShells or theory and math like that of Dr. Rodal.

          This sounds more like you only “wish”, that it did not work. Why?

          1. Certainly I have provided evidence backed up with fact.

            The em drive ‘effect’ was ‘discovered’ by Shawyer 20 odd years ago. Fact.
            “There are no flying cars or propellantless satellites. No one has gone to Saturn in a week.” Fact.

            This is evidence that the effect is very, very unlikely to exist.

            Please try to explain the above facts without resorting to conspiracy, speculation and wishful thinking.

            If the em drive works then my first reaction would be astonishment, closely followed by absolute wonder and hope for the possibilities opened up for humanity.

            My money is on Woodward.

          2. “Woodward proposed his hypothesis in 1990 and then set about with experiments trying to discover the effect in reality.

            Shawyer made a spinning contraption with water pumps and fans which he videoed. His theory to describe the effect he thought he was seeing is plain wrong. He has papers that describe flying cars and 1g spacecraft. Everyone agrees that if it is a closed system, which is claimed, then CoE is broken.”

            Your money may be on Woodward but he hasn’t shown nearly the effect Shawyer, and the many teams who have replicated Shawyer and the Cannae drive worldwide have shown.

            For your information, Woodward’s device would have the same ‘over unity’ issue as the EmDrive, and that’s according to Woodward himself. But it’s a non issue for both.

        2. Are you aware that the Woodward effect and the EmDrive or the Cannae drive would be functionally equivalent? Your facts, through true, do not support your claim. One could ask you, where is a flying car powered by the Woodward effect?

          1. Woodward proposed his hypothesis in 1990 and then set about with experiments trying to discover the effect in reality.

            Shawyer made a spinning contraption with water pumps and fans which he videoed. His theory to describe the effect he thought he was seeing is plain wrong. He has papers that describe flying cars and 1g spacecraft. Everyone agrees that if it is a closed system, which is claimed, then CoE is broken.

            The facts do support my claim and I’m afraid to say that it applies to the MET too.

            Can you explain why the em drive is a no-show after the grandiose claims and generous tax-payer funding?

            I can. It doesn’t work. In my opinion and based on evidence.

            I am extremely hopeful the Woodward effect exists. Evidence is still lacking but I regard it in the realms of possible because there is no CoE paradox.

            Can’t wait to see the notes from the workshop. Hopefully we can begin to clear some of these issues up!

            Can I ask, how do you think the em drive works without breaking CoE?

  1. Wow, fast comment! :-)

    My apologies for originally referring to the meeting as a “Conference” which implies a large convention setting where presentations are delivered from on high, maybe followed by a few questions at the end. I have changed that word to the correct one.

    This is a “Workshop” with a small number of people in the specific field all together in a small room so as to allow open and ad-hoc discussions that a large “conference” attendance would make difficult.

    SSI’s primary part in this is to help document these discussions and do our best to assist in the release of the information to the public – so our goal is to help provide that transparency and sharing of knowledge while keeping with the established smaller attendance that people in the Scientific and Engineering professions are used to in “Workshops”.

    We feel that this is important work and we hope that you will find some of the information interesting once we begin to release it. (We are 100% volunteer on this project and we all do have “day jobs” so we appreciate your patience.)

  2. Good morning. Can you share with us some first interesting facts or informations from the workshop? NSF community can not wait to know :-).

    1. I’m not a person qualified to take on any of the technical information from any angle. The folks who are are quite busy with the workshop still going on but I will surely tell them your desires at the start of tomorrow’s session. Thanks!

      I can’t add pictures to a comment but I’ll add a picture to the post of someone NSF folks may like to see :-)

        1. FYI, see the latest post on ssi.org dated today (October 13th). There’s a video of Gary’s opening remarks and he’ll be on The Space Show tomorrow morning taking questions about the project.

  3. I think when SSI release notes and videos for this workshop it is important to make clear that SSI partially fund Woodward’s and Fearn’s research.

    1. Hi. The file drives got back safely through the extremely dedicated – above and beyond – TSA poking through all of the cables and recording gear in the big suitcase ;-). [And, note to self: remember to remove EVERY-darned-THING from EVERY pocket at the Denver Airport or you will make some very, very intimate uniformed acquaintances in that line. Oy!]

      The raw files are being assembled and organized right now. I can tell you that Lance is chomping at the bit to get them so that the processing and transcription can start. Once he does have them – very soon – we’ll keep you updated on the status.

      Thanks for your patience!

        1. FYI, see the latest post on ssi.org dated today (October 13th). There’s a video of Gary’s opening remarks and he’ll be on The Space Show tomorrow morning taking questions about the project.

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